Forgotten Heroes
Call of Duty 4 => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: Bunnii on March 18, 2014, 05:03:23 am
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Your in game name:
TehBunnii
Date & time of ban:
Tuesday, 18/03/2014 (02:39)
Reason you were banned:
'multihack' (What even is multihack..? I can understand if the reason was aimbot or wallhack or something.. But what does multihack mean?)
Your explanation of the appeal:
I was wondering when this might happen, as it isn't the first time I have been banned from other servers.. (You guys are probably already making judgments about me, just from that statement.) I am just going to straight out say, I don't hack. I play regularly on the FFA1 server and I get along with a lot of the regulars on that server, even clan members. Juiceh can verify this. He even gave me an offer to join the clan, again, he can verify. I'd just like to say I do not hack, I get on very well with the regulars and even some of the clan members. Please unban me, I really do love playing on your servers.
Thanks in advance,
Bunnii.
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I have read your ban appeal and you will not get a definite decision right now, we need to get our demo's uploaded and viewed by a few leaders but i will say, at the time of the banning, I was watching and I 100% back the admin who banned you. I agreed 100% that you were hacking. We will post the demo's shortly to be viewed by all and we will reach a conclusion, please sit tight.
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That is a shame that you think I was hacking. I am actually really sad that you think I was hacking, I can understand if one person thought I was and banned me, but if more than two do, my chances are pretty grim.
I am willing to make a break down video of some of me playing, it would even include a camera view of my mouse and keyboard. (I wasn't demo recording at the time) So if you were willing to unban me for a day or 2 (as I have heaps of school work to do this week) you can add my ban after I get some footage. I can edit it together and prove to you guys that I seriously don't hack. I am willing to go out of my way to prove that I don't. If you decide I am still hacking after I show you my evidence then I will respect your decision.
Also, I would really like you to ask Juiceh about me, he knows I play consistently, and we always have a laugh when we do play together. So yeah, my evidence will include a gameplay + a handcam (I dunno, but maybe an over the shoulder view[If I can find another camera in the house d:]).
Thanks in advance,
Bunnii.
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I'm short on time right now, so I won't be able to give you a lengthy , in depth reply. I just want to let you know that you will be given a chance to view the demos we have and explain yourself.
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Ah okay, I was under the impression I wouldn't get to see evidence. You guys are also way fairer than other clans.
Thanks,
Bunnii.
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Hi bunni, I am the admin who banned you.
Before I head into my reply - I just want to say thank you for being polite. (:
I will be uploading my two demos soon and be asking other admins to view and get their opinions as well.
A multihack is just when a hacker is using more than one hack in their game play.. for instance they may have walls + aimbot or ESP + triggerbot .. or have em all and so on.
The hacks I originally thought you were using were some sort of bot (your shots looked very twitchy, and while watching you - you sometimes did something like a 'bot spin' across the map) and a constant radar or uav. You sometimes ignored people right in front of you and would flip around and shoot someone you had no idea of being there.. while I know some of these spots are spawns - it seemed to me you knew when they had spawned and when to look there. Some of these shots could be played off from either good sound or just general knowledge of the map or playing the game - but there are times in the demos or just when I was watching you.. I heard someone right by you and you did not notice at all - which also looks bad on your part.
After watching the demos for a second time today - your shots don't seem as 'botty' like today .. but I still believe you were using a constant radar/uav. There are some pretty damnable shots in the demos but which may be able to be explained away by you. (And you will get that chance)
Anyhow - after we get other opinions from our other admins and you have a chance to explain the gameplay I recorded - we can come to a conclusion.
Thanks & I will add the demos shortly!
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PS - I didn't mean to ignore the offer to record your gameplay from another device.. we can discuss that depending the conclusion of your ban. I do thank you for the offer and I am sure the clan will consider it if we agree that the demos are evidence enough.
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Here are the demos
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I watched both just now.
Demo 1: I saw 1 shot that seems like it wasn't normal, but otherwise i didnt see that much.
Demo 2: there were 4 shot's that i'd like to go over.
I'll let others view it first before going into detail.
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Regarding not shooting the people in front of me, I have a higher ping than usual, around 170 to 200. Playing with higher ping means you have to constantly check your back, especially spawns behind me.
I also like to stack my killstreaks, say if I get a 7 killstreak I won't use my chopper until I die, that means any kills the chopper gets me will count towards my current streak. That means I can usually get a uav very quickly, also, 50/50 I get a 3 killsreak > Die >Use UAV > Get another quick 3 kills > Die > Use UAV > 3 more quick kills. So it is basically a UAV cycle.
And if a corner camper kills me, and I know they are still sitting in that corner I will do anything to get them, shoot through walls, nade, etc. And this may come to a surprise, but I don't rely on sound as much as I rely on my reflexes and vision (it probably hinders how well I could play d:). I play with a 2.1 speaker setup (no headset) And my bass is usually on full so I can't exactly hear the treble eg. footsteps and such. I'll have a look at the demos you supplied. I'd just like to mention that I am a bit obsessed with CoD.. I have 2000 hours of play time on Modern Warefare 2 and just over 700 hours on CoD4, so yeah..
Thanks,
Bunnii.
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I assume that the order of the demos are how they were shot... demo 1 then demo 2... same game. War Pig camped that back corner repeatedly in the one hanger and Bunnii was killed several times going after him. That to me explains the "random" shooting into that corner from outside the hanger on demo 2. Outside of that, on a map that is small, for me it is hard to make a conclusion that a hack is in use based on the demos.
However, at the same time, I wouldn't rule it out either. The admin obviously saw more before they started recording which is why the recording began so my opinion is only based on those demos. But our policy is that we need to be 100 percent to ban, which is why we have very few ban appeals. :)
Also, I didn't see a score but it sure seemed he died almost as much as he killed.
I'd love to hear from pear and mits on these demos as well before we make a final decision.
FYI - I just want to add I posted this prior to reading Bunnii's post immediately above this one.
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I forgot to mention that having a higher ping also means that I don't get to see or sometimes see more than what is in the demo. On the side of the map with the hangers closer to the crashed heli I pulled out my deagle because I saw a guy that ran in front of me, and got a few markers. That guy is nowhere to be seen in the demos, but he was there. There are also times when I checked a spawn over my back but there was no one there, it was only a few times I got kills by doing that. About my score, I think I was 63-40 something, something around there. I got off to a lucky start and stacked two choppers I think, so I was 20 something for 3-4
Yes, War_Pig had killed me at least twice before from that spot, and once on the demo. I had seen him on the UAV in that spot and knew he was there, the UAV also just ran out before I killed him through the wall. And the guy I got before I got kicked, I also had a UAV then too >Shot through wall >Nothing >Waited for the UAV to refresh >Guy still there >Spray and pray again.
Thanks,
Bunnii.
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Hi Bunnii, I'm very sorry to hear of your ban. You are one our regulars and I do enjoy having you on the servers. I admit - my opinion might be slightly biased as we happen to converse positively when you're playing with us. You're always so polite and keen to offer cooperation, and now an explanation.
I think you're clean, through and through. Demo 1 consisted of mostly pre-aims at the hangar or usual camping spots. You wouldn't fire more than half the time as there was no one there. And if there was, well, I think you were quick enough to pull off some of the shots, and died the other times you didn't. Demo 2 had some trickier shots. Two of them really concerned me and it was the War_Pig corner kill and the last one. However, upon re-watching the first demo, it's apparent that he was camping there for quite sometime and you already knew where he was! As for the last kill, I think your explanation made sense. I was wondering myself why you stopped shooting halfway.
I fully acknowledge that I'm not the best admin out there to identify hackers, but these are my two cents. Here's to hoping you'll get unbanned. :rock
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I just wanted to post thanking bunni for his explanations and patience in dealing with this matter.
We will come to a final decision in the next 24 hours on the ban appeal. (:
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Thank you guys, you are really fair and I solute you and your clan. And thank you Juiceh for helping back me up. What ever decision is made I will fully respect it, and the clan.
Thanks again,
Bunnii.
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I'd just like to provide some feedback as I was on the server when this all went down. With regard to your own comments you say that you cant hear footsteps, I spawned behind you and you spun around instantaneously and peow peow I was dead. From the video there were a couple of things that made me think something was amiss....there was one time when you were shooting into a half round structure and getting hits but when you went into it there was no one inside so it appeared you were hitting people out the far side......there were shots fired into another half round where your shots seemed to be following someone that you couldnt have possibly known was there (i.e. the shots werent on one space but leading). I think there was one time you hit the clackers but I couldnt recall if that was for UAV or air/chopper.
I constantly play with a 200+ ping and from my experience I find I concentrate on things I can see in front of me whereas there were multiple times where you appeared to be oblivious to people directly in front of you. I recall from the demos that there was one instance where someone spawned and you continued to constantly shoot into that location even though the person passed to your left and out the door (clearly viewable).
I personally dont use the UAV as I find it difficult enough to concentrate on my 200 hundy ping on whats in front of me to concern myself with looking at the UAV results to add another level of difficulty. If I get an airstrike or chopper - damn yous all be knowing about that lol.
It could just be that you know the spawn points across the map and use that to good effect.
My two cents worth and I acknowledge Im no expert on the subject. I think Ill use your airstrike/chopper plan of attack in future as its so damn smart!
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After reviewing the demos (Including myself rewatching them) and speaking with other admin's - we have come to the conclusion that there is not a sufficient amount of evidence in the demos provided. You have been unbanned. Hope to see you on the server (:
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Thanks kit2sek.
I have really appreciated the way this clan has gone about their banning and ban appeal system, and I commend it and the clan for being so open eyed, not just my case but other cases I have read on this sub forum. I really thank you guys, and I really do appreciate it. I will still make a video of me playing, but not right now as I have heaps of school work to do, hopefully in the next week (just in case this happens in the future again d:). I will also be telling some other clans about how they could improve their appeal system, as I have been unfairly banned from their servers, they were nowhere near as accommodating, polite and as opened eyed as you guys. Nor did they have a system so well put in place as you guys.
Thanks,
Bunnii.
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Thank you for the kind words and sorry for the inconvenience, see you on the servers!
:MJ:
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In light of new evidence, you will now be banned, looks like the banning admin was correct.
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-viewban-2c8d992c-vb364720.html (http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-viewban-2c8d992c-vb364720.html)
also stumbled upon this ban as well: http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-view-unofficial-ban-19263.html
that second one is a month before you were banned at fh, banned twice on PB.... :banned:
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Ouch... lol..
Well.... the light of day still had something to reveal upon the secrets that lay in the shadows..
Nice research there, Rob. :) :shooting: :bighammer :bighammer :poop:
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Ouch... lol..
Well.... the light of day still had something to reveal upon the secrets that lay in the shadows..
Nice research there, Rob. :) :shooting: :bighammer :bighammer :poop:
I'm constantly checking pbbans for their latest bans and being a pb streaming admin, I can also see any linked keys as well.
I should probably add that this is 100% the same player, the guid's and IPs match, just incase anyone is wodering something like "well, could just be the same name" etc..