[R[NF]DarkFriar]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it against the rules to shoot blindly into spawns?  There seems to be some confusion about this and I would like someone to clear this up not only for me but for other admins.

[|FH|Rusty]

Hi Dark

Wall-banging a spawn when you can't see if there is a player in the spawn due to the wall is fine...go ahead and bang it. Continuing to bang the same wall and getting multiple kills as the new players re-spawns is a not allowed. It is similar thinking to spawn killing versus spawn camping - don't keep banging away at the same spawn; get the kill and move on.

We allow camping in spawns so we need to keep it in mind that there may be players in one and shooting them is fine. Shooting into a spawn when it is clear that there is not a player there and continuing to do so until someone spawns is the same as blind tubing and should be discouraged.

[R[NF]DarkFriar]

Thanks Russ, that clears it up for me.

[{FH}spankeem]

I called someone out for it yesterday Don (which may be why it came up) because he was sitting there looking into spawn and shooting off a G3 single fire for a whole clip right into the spawn position.  He was clearly doing so for the purpose of hitting spawning players.  When I called him out he said he was testing the weapon and I told him not to do so in a spawn point.

[R[NF]DarkFriar]

Thanks, Spanks. How about a player who is about to run by a known spawn point and shoots even though there is no one there, and keeps  on going.

[|FH|Jock Ych]

What rule would that break?  None.  It's not spawn camping. So it would be allowed.

[{FH}Striker]

I am not trying to be argumentative here, and don't personally have a preference . just want a clear understanding of the rules.
I don't shoot blindly shoot into , or nades or tube spawns, unless the player is defending the spawn. 
If I understand the explanations here and it is OKAY for a player to Wall bang, blindly shoot into spawns while ON THE MOVE .
Then why have the rule , that says NO nades, tubes, Rpg's into spawns moving or not moving weather the player is defending or not   
Correct me if I am misunderstanding  here .... But isn't that kind of a contradiction and confusing  for players  to adhere to the rules, let alone penalizing the player and restricting the use of the perks allowed while playing the game.

 I don't know if this can be done on the stock COD4 maps... I know in the MOD maps of COD, you can set a time limit that automatically protects the spawning player for so many seconds, it protects the spawning player from being killed and gives him a chance to evacuate  the spawn in those few seconds... It eliminates a lot of spawn camping and conversations , arguments about how and when a player can be killed in a spawn.
A player knows he has so many seconds to pack his shit and get out of Dodge or he becomes fair game for opposing players...Consequently there is no argument about spawn camping , killing ,blindly shooting, tubing, nades, rpg's etc into spawns .
Of course if this feature is not available on stock maps , then the suggestion becomes irrelevant.     
 

[|FH|Jock Ych]

Tubes, RPGs, and Nades are not allowed blindly into spawns.  Players camp in spawn and are allowed to camp in spawns at FH.  Spawn killing is allowed.  Firing bullets into a spawn is allowed, walled, blindly or otherwise so long as it isn't done repeatedly into same spawn, which would be spawn camping.

There is a distinct unfair advantage to a tuber, an RPG user, or a  nader into spawns.  If a player knows for a fact that a camper is present, it is legal to fire away with tube, RPG, or nade.  If it is a random (blind) shot into spawn with tube, RPG, or nade it is not allowed. 

Calling out someone in game for breaking this rule is darn near impossible unless you are in spectate and seeing and hearing what a player sees and hears.  That is the job of FH members/admins.  Do we catch them all?  No.  But if the player is a habitual rule breaker they will eventually get caught and will be dealt with.

So in conclusion, we do differentiate between bullets fired from gun and tubes/RPGs/Nades.

Those have always been the rules at FH and I think a clear majority, other than maybe one or two members, understands those rules.  Now hopefully it will stick in their long term memory too.  Sorry for being a little grumpy about it.   

[{FH}Striker]

Jock, you didn't come across like that to me...I asked for a clarification of the rules.
We all know , who uses a tube here. 
 Like I said before, I don't care what the rules are , just so i don't break them , I have always tried to be very conscientious
of the server rules, no matter which server I play on.
Thank you

[|FH|mitsurugi]

I don't know if this can be done on the stock COD4 maps... I know in the MOD maps of COD, you can set a time limit that automatically protects the spawning player for so many seconds, it protects the spawning player from being killed and gives him a chance to evacuate  the spawn in those few seconds... It eliminates a lot of spawn camping and conversations , arguments about how and when a player can be killed in a spawn.
A player knows he has so many seconds to pack his shit and get out of Dodge or he becomes fair game for opposing players...Consequently there is no argument about spawn camping , killing ,blindly shooting, tubing, nades, rpg's etc into spawns .
Of course if this feature is not available on stock maps , then the suggestion becomes irrelevant.     
 

that cant work on stock server + during spawn protection time you cant shot (if you shot you lose the protection)

best to do is learn how to (re)spawn

if a player doesnt want be spawn killed the best for him is play team based gametype(s)

play FFA and avoid spawn killing is impossible imo

[{FH}Striker]

Thanks Mits,  I thought there was a reason i never saw that protection on a stock COD4 server.

[R[NF]DarkFriar]

I know and understood the rules as they have been explained here.  I was asked to post about this by some guests so as to get a fair and right answer. Russ did me the service of answering my post and I understood what it was he was talking about.  It was then that Spanks came on and, well, everyone read his post.  I just wanted to make sure that we admin all were in agreement..