Forgotten Heroes
Call of Duty 4 => General Discussion => Topic started by: keat0n on December 29, 2015, 10:39:00 pm
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Apparently, I have to spell it out to {fh}livewire who is so sensitive that he decided to throw a knee-jerk ban, without a warning, for a comment I made involving race. Perhaps simply because race was mentioned.
Ok, so context: a few of us were speccing awdy being impressed by his skills. In the vein of being impressed with them and speculating on who this godlike player was I said "he must be asian, only this skill can come from asian obsessiveness". BAM! Insta-ban. A hair trigger pull on {fh}livewire's ban-gun.
Guess what? Obsessiveness IS a CULTURAL trait of CHINESE, JAPANESE, and KOREAN societies. In Japan they have a word for it 'OTAKU' which means something along the lines of an 'OBSESSIVE FAN' of something. The Japanese also have a word for appreciation for someone who dedicates his life to an art or skill and becomes a master at it. The South Koreans are KNOWN for being obsessive Starcraft 2 Players.
So...white guilt? I suspect that's it. Censoring any tounge-in-cheek observations like the one I made is in itself racist. This is because it suppresses the idea that we all come from different places and instead opts for a more "comfortable" ignoring of our cultural backgrounds/differences wiping the slate clean and suppressing identity. Yes, what I said was a JOKE and no it wasn't promoting a STERYOTYPE because OBSESSIVELY getting good at skills is a cultural trait in the Asian countries that I mentioned.
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I didn't ban you. I believe Wilma_Deering did.
Edit...However Racial stereotyping can all start out as innocent fun until you're the one being stereo-typed. Our server is supposed to be friendly for all.
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I didn't ban you. I believe Wilma_Deering did.
Edit...However Racial stereotyping can all start out as innocent fun until you're the one being stereo-typed. Our server is supposed to be friendly for all.
Yes, I understand your POV I just would've liked to have had the chance to defend mine.
I believe in individual freedom and in not putting people into boxes and definitely didn't intend to promote a stereotype.
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I believe in individual freedom and in not putting people into boxes and definitely didn't intend to promote a stereotype.
And you are welcome to your opinions, however, if you are to play on our server (or box, as you call it) you have to play by our rules.
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I believe in individual freedom and in not putting people into boxes and definitely didn't intend to promote a stereotype.
And you are welcome to your opinions, however, if you are to play on our server (or box, as you call it) you have to play by our rules.
Box? I was replying to livewires comment saying I agreed that steryotypes are bad and they put people into a metaphorical "box", I wasn't referring to the server being a "box" (bubble?) which sounds like what you were thinking I was saying..
This is my argument for why I wasn't breaking a rule, but yes I do respect that the one who pays for the server uptime can arbitrarily boot whoever he wants. I figured I'd appeal to reason before moving onto another server (apparently it's a temp ban).
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I believe in individual freedom and in not putting people into boxes and definitely didn't intend to promote a stereotype.
And you are welcome to your opinions, however, if you are to play on our server (or box, as you call it) you have to play by our rules.
Box? I was replying to livewires comment saying I agreed that steryotypes are bad and they put people into a metaphorical "box", I wasn't referring to the server being a "box" (bubble?) which sounds like what you were thinking I was saying..
This is my argument for why I wasn't breaking a rule, but yes I do respect that the one who pays for the server uptime can arbitrarily boot whoever he wants. I figured I'd appeal to reason before moving onto another server (apparently it's a temp ban).
It is indeed a temp ban.
I also cant speak for Wilma, he will have to come here to explain his actions. However, i agree that an instant ban or kick seems to be entirely uncalled for. While we deliberate amongts ourselves, we will be looking at the recorded chat logs to get a better understanding of what happened.
Long story short, you are more than welcome to continue playing on our server. Play nice, have fun, and be courteous to your fellow guests and you will have nothing but the support of the admin team.
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I believe in individual freedom and in not putting people into boxes and definitely didn't intend to promote a stereotype.
And you are welcome to your opinions, however, if you are to play on our server (or box, as you call it) you have to play by our rules.
Box? I was replying to livewires comment saying I agreed that steryotypes are bad and they put people into a metaphorical "box", I wasn't referring to the server being a "box" (bubble?) which sounds like what you were thinking I was saying..
This is my argument for why I wasn't breaking a rule, but yes I do respect that the one who pays for the server uptime can arbitrarily boot whoever he wants. I figured I'd appeal to reason before moving onto another server (apparently it's a temp ban).
It is indeed a temp ban.
I also cant speak for Wilma, he will have to come here to explain his actions. However, i agree that an instant ban or kick seems to be entirely uncalled for. While we deliberate amongts ourselves, we will be looking at the recorded chat logs to get a better understanding of what happened.
Long story short, you are more than welcome to continue playing on our server. Play nice, have fun, and be courteous to your fellow guests and you will have nothing but the support of the admin team.
Thanks, I appreciate the reply! I enjoy FH a lot and made the OP thinking I was perma banned. I come to have fun and for the enjoyment of the game. I appreciate skill and was in awe of awdy's playstyle. Definitely don't consider myself that negative of a person and if I'm offending people I definitely won't make comments like that again.
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:cheers:
Cheers all the way around! Thanks for being civil and working it out.
Look forward to seeing you back in game KeatOn and thanks for coming to the forum to discuss.
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Hey Keaton, it was me who banned you. The reason being somewhat different to your position in your post. You had been baiting Awdy for some time calling him out about cheating and then moved onto talking about his "race". I wanted to shut you down there and then.
FH provide servers with as few rules as possible to cater for players of all levels - novices to experts to insane players. If you think that anyone is not following the rules on the server, please feel free to submit a demo to our forums for review. Please do not provoke or call our other players as we then need to step in.
I have un-banned you so you are free to play on the server again.
Scope Message Time
2195280 ALL forum post Tue, 12/29/15 (22:44:56)
2195279 ALL on forum Tue, 12/29/15 (22:44:13)
2195130 ALL let me talk Tue, 12/29/15 (22:15:54)
2195111 ALL cool it Tue, 12/29/15 (22:12:34)
2195100 ALL this sort of skill can only come from asian obsessiveness Tue, 12/29/15 (22:11:42)
2195098 ALL i bet hes asian Tue, 12/29/15 (22:11:32)
2195091 ALL keep playing awdy youre fun to watch Tue, 12/29/15 (22:09:29)
2195085 ALL LOL Tue, 12/29/15 (22:09:16)
2195081 ALL ah Tue, 12/29/15 (22:08:53)
2195076 ALL does he talk? Tue, 12/29/15 (22:08:37)
2195073 ALL awdy are you aimbotting? Tue, 12/29/15 (22:08:00)
2195064 ALL i want to believe Tue, 12/29/15 (22:06:24)
2195056 ALL ok he just killed carson through the wall without seeing him Tue, 12/29/15 (22:04:51)
2195053 ALL err Tue, 12/29/15 (22:04:44)
2195048 ALL why would someone enjoy using an aimbot yet creatively jump around the map ? Tue, 12/29/15 (22:04:20)
2195042 ALL nothing wrong with being good Tue, 12/29/15 (22:03:55)
2195039 ALL im pretty sure he's legit just saying Tue, 12/29/15 (22:03:32)
2195030 ALL im dum Tue, 12/29/15 (22:02:37)
2195028 ALL aahhh Tue, 12/29/15 (22:02:12)
2195027 ALL OHHH FH is this SERVER Tue, 12/29/15 (22:02:08)
2195022 ALL looks like a tank killed him Tue, 12/29/15 (22:01:22)
2195019 ALL maybe he's a COD autistic savant Tue, 12/29/15 (22:00:36)
2195015 ALL from zelda Tue, 12/29/15 (21:59:41)
2195014 ALL FL? Tue, 12/29/15 (21:59:38)
2195010 ALL apparently not an aimbot :P Tue, 12/29/15 (21:59:27)
2195008 ALL what is this madness? Tue, 12/29/15 (21:59:15)
2195007 ALL haha Tue, 12/29/15 (21:58:54)
2195005 ALL *all Tue, 12/29/15 (21:58:42)
2195004 ALL we wall spec awdy! :P Tue, 12/29/15 (21:58:40)
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Scope Message Time
2195091 ALL keep playing awdy youre fun to watch Tue, 12/29/15 (22:09:29)
2195048 ALL why would someone enjoy using an aimbot yet creatively jump around the map ? Tue, 12/29/15 (22:04:20)
2195042 ALL nothing wrong with being good Tue, 12/29/15 (22:03:55)
2195039 ALL im pretty sure he's legit just saying Tue, 12/29/15 (22:03:32)
2195005 ALL *all Tue, 12/29/15 (21:58:42)
2195004 ALL we wall spec awdy! :P Tue, 12/29/15 (21:58:40)
Thanks for the unban. I do think I'm being taken out of context, though. There were 2 guys accusing him of cheating and them and I were spectating Awdy and that's why I said "I'm pretty sure he's legit, just saying", "nothing wrong with being good", "Why would someone use an aimbot yet creatively jump around the map?"; etc. I would say this is DEFENDING him not trying to bait him.
I was trying to get him to talk considering I'd never seen him play before and two guys were going on and on about him being an aimbotter (as I'm sure you remember) and they were somewhat convincing me considering he scored 100 points when the next guy had less then half that. I was genuinely curious if he talked or not considering he was dead silent as those guys (I didn't join in the aimbotting talk 'til later) were going on and on about him. The above comments aren't sarcastic and I genuinely think it's fun to watch him creatively hop around the map.
That said, glad to come back.
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I am not sure what the Asian comments are about and don't care.... But Awdy is a constant disruption in this clan. I refuse to play with him.